The sixth sense

On Sacrosanctum Concilium (part II)

**What is below is my shorthand mixed with my own thoughts. This post is a note/thought dump and may not make sense! If I can clarify anything, please let me know so I can edit/explain further.**

to be ecumenical, a council must wither be called by the pope, or haves the pope's approval. Like Nicaea I, called by Constantine. They define doctrine or dogma, and condemn heresy(Infallible.) To be defined, you must positively decree, (its not new revelation) that is to be held by all. The deposit of faith ended with St. John. Cannons, or "rules of faith" condemns whats said. They also can definitively reform aspects of Morals (which will be infallible too)
In 1959 when the Council was called, Belgium, Germany, and France were full of well organized liberals, like Rhienner. The group called the "Schemata" made sure Rhienner got in the council the second time it met. Yes, Vatican II is a council, but it is not infallible in definition. In 1983, it was said that infallibility rests in defining Faith and Morals.

Here is the testimony of four popes that prove Vatican II is fallible.
Oct. 6, '65 "Different from other councils, it is disciplinary and pastoral...avoids infalible teaching"
1964- "Avoided proclaiming infallible dogmatic teaching"
John Paul II- Eccesia Dei, "Vatican to renew committee, perhaps because teachings are new and not well understood."
Benedict XVI (Card. Ratzinger) to the Chilean Episcopal Conference "The truth is [Vatican II] defined no dogma at all, merely pastoral in nature... it chose to remain clear [of exorcising infallibility.] Now the council does have infallible teaching in it...When it repeats existing dogma.... but it cannot give "assent of faith."
John XXIII said on Oct. 11, 1962 "No need for any new definitions. Everything that needed to be defined was already defined!" ....
... A Dogmatic Council? No! Calling a council at this time was most inopportune because of the rampant modernism and liberalism. Sometimes heresy does "help" theologians be more precise. In the face of it they may guard the deposit of faith more efficaciously. Councils always deal with problems in the present time, but what were the problems the Church was dealing with. Communism? No, they didn't touch that. What they did say was "This doesn't touch the fundamentals" and it "should be passed on through MODERN thought." Substance is one thing, expression is another....

The vocabulary is totally different in this Council. Truth is attacked, because the words are not scholastic. Words with more than one meaning are used on purpose. Views of Truth...
Ancients' view- Conformity of the mind to reality
Modernists'- Subjectivity (exact opposite.) Because in the 17th century we learned we can be enlightened by truth, but not know it (and God who is Truth.) You can sense a tree (touch, feel, smell, taste) but you cannot know the "treeness." What about an artificial tree, that is an exact replica, and they even sprayed pine on it, and shellacked it with something that tastes like bark? Is it a tree? You cannot sense that it is not a tree, but you can know that it is not a tree.

Don Bognini was kind of a council father. "we exclude condemnation of errors"
Re clothe truths in modern thought. We need to fix families with a renewal. Archbishop Lefebrve tried to have Vatican II condemn Communism, but it was never touched.

Councils are not inspired. It would be heresy to say that Vatican II was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Just like it would be heresy to claim that Vatican I or even Trent was inspired. Only sacred scripture is inspired!

How does a liturgical document get started. Don Gueranger restored the Benedictine Abbey of Solemes. He was very Anti liturgical-heresy. He compiled Gregorian Chant and came up with a missal for the people. He really wanted to bring the people to liturgy. He combated...
Quietism- best thing is to be indifferent. Practice no virtues..."as long as I feel good towards God.
Jansenism- man is utterly wounded. Incapable of doing anything. Cannot approach sacraments unless perfect. What happens... people do not come to the sacraments.
Galicanism- Limited power of the pope in France.
Don Gaspar Lefebrve produced the St. Andrew's Missal. St. Pius X restored liturgy in Chant. Don L. Bodunin joined the Benedictines, but was a secular priest at first. His idea was that to really teach you the Faith. Private prayer/piety is nice, but the individual must give way to the community -public prayer. Bring liturgy to the people vs. bring people to the liturgy. He befriends the future John XXIII in 1924. They really start getting all excited about the parish youth movement. At this time, Archeologism is condemned. That is the idea that everything after about 300 AD is corrupt. And that the Church should go back to the primal means.
But what does "the spirit of Vatican II do?" 35 years later, it turns the altar into a table, it throws out most of the vestments, it makes the Mass "understandable" by dumbing it down.
This document of the Second Vatican Council want laity to get involved with the sacraments unlike they ever were before. All should be involved. And Latin (Western) things were distrusted.
That is why in the New Order there is the influx of the Eastern/Greek "Lord, hear our prayer."
It is "Christian variety."